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Lupe a Legend?

  • TAY's picture
    says: (13 Dec '09)

    Not yet, unfortunately.

    We have proclaimed "legends" and "greats" all over Hip-Hop that we all know Lupe destroys; without question.

    So, what do you think Lupe has to do to become a recognized legend/great?

     

    Time?

    An undeniably classic album?

    Beef?

    Die? (because apparently dying makes you famous *cough2Pac*cough*BIG*)

     

    What qualifies someone as a "legend" or a "great" to you?

    How close is Lupe to meeting your quota?

     

    Discuss.

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TAY's picture
on December 13, 2009

Not yet, unfortunately.

We have proclaimed "legends" and "greats" all over Hip-Hop that we all know Lupe destroys; without question.

So, what do you think Lupe has to do to become a recognized legend/great?

 

Time?

An undeniably classic album?

Beef?

Die? (because apparently dying makes you famous *cough2Pac*cough*BIG*)

 

What qualifies someone as a "legend" or a "great" to you?

How close is Lupe to meeting your quota?

 

Discuss.

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rezide's picture

I think skill is just as subjective. If not, what is the criteria? Is skill based on the amount of syllables you can drop in a minute? How many obscure pop culture references you can drop in a song? Your use of assonance? See what I mean?
Gramitoz's picture

lol its all our opinions, thats why forums can be productive And you are right we do see shit a little bit differently. I think people have to hear you first, and then the judging can really begin. When i think of legends and greatest of all time, i would like to look at those who have influenced not just the people who were hip hop fans by nature, but what changed the landscape of it. Of course, if that is my argument I should answer why i don't like the REALLY old school stuff (Herc, Run DMC, the Furious Five), i just found there stuff much more simple than the stuff we got into because of Pac and BIG. Big L, was so talented, but didn't do enough to be REALLY considered a legend neither. Big Pun, he was around for quite a bit longer, but he didn't change the game enough to earn such great appraisal. Same goes with Proof, he was loved in detroit, but he kinda just faded out after the hype died. The root of my comment is this- There are too many underground artists claiming to hate the industry, but people have to be heard before they are taken into consideration. to me Immortal Technique sounds like a grumpy old man sometimes. I love Jedi Mind Tricks though. Hip Hop was first meant to have people enjoy it, and have fun with it.
TAY's picture

With Lupe, it's like... he's better than so many of these other dudes, past or present. But mad people get more props than him. But for what? We all know what his "issue" is though :: Lupe is too intelligent. We all know this. I don't think it's cliche to say it here ~ but people just don't get his material. *Intelligence shouldn't be anyone's downfall in any pursuit in life, even Hip-Hop; or music in general. AK-47, you said he needs to go commercial. Agreed. I just hope he doesn't have to dumb anything down. If he can stay smart and socially conscious, and get mad fans, thus potentially making intelligent music (at his level) marketable, that'll be an accomplishment far greater than anything Pac or BIG could ever do. If anyone, Lupe''s the dude to do something like that. IMO.
TAY's picture

@ GRAMITOZ Oh, I understand why they are legends. I didn't want to take that status away from them. But wholly, they're over-rated as far as far as actual talent is concerned. They weren't THAT good. Not really. But they're flaunted as being the two greatest of all time. And maybe how I'm looking at it is what establishes our differences. To me, skill and capability on the mic is what makes you a great emcee, not influence or popularity. Both influence and popularity are subjective, skill isn't. It may just be me, but an inflated perception of influence, and consequently skill, because of death doesn't automatically warrant a top spot in Hip-Hop as one of the greatest. Pac was conscious and political. So is Lupe, but even more so. Way more so. BIG was a great lyricist. Lupe obliterates him lyrically. Sure, both Pac and BIG had more commercial success. But like I said, popularity i.e. commercial success, even if slightly justified, is subjective. That's just my opinion though.
AK-47's picture

He needs to go commercial for a bit just to get more fans. Then his name will be something everyone know..or just wait until Lasers comes out.
Gramitoz's picture

Alright, i got love for Lupe and all, but why do you think 2Pac and BIG are so overrated. They provided a new wave of Hip Hop music. The West was viewed as being full of NWA, Snoop sounding dudes, and then Pac came out with actual deep shit, conscious shit. He came out from somewhere not everyone gets to leave. BIG had the nastiest verses. I mean, i think Nas is probably more talented than them (as displayed mostly on Illmatic, It Was Written and Stillmatic even), but he had such a rugged delivery. He changed the way verses were structured. He taught people how to make catchy music and rider music at the same time while carrying on more complex rhyme scheme than the other people trying to do this. Lastly, if you're a fan of hip hop, there is a reason why most people's favourite rappers are likely Pac and BIG, they made Hip Hop bigger.

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