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Lupe the Emotional

  • TAY's picture
    says: (14 Dec '09)

    So, a decent number of people have said that Lupe's music lacks personally emotional communication;

    And that this missing trait is what is holding him back as an artist.

     

    What do you think? Agree or disagree?

    What else do you think Lupe needs in order to rise to the next level?

    What else is holding him back?

    If you could give Lupe advice from a fan's stand point, what would you tell him?

     

    Let's talk.

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TAY's picture
on December 14, 2009

So, a decent number of people have said that Lupe's music lacks personally emotional communication;

And that this missing trait is what is holding him back as an artist.

 

What do you think? Agree or disagree?

What else do you think Lupe needs in order to rise to the next level?

What else is holding him back?

If you could give Lupe advice from a fan's stand point, what would you tell him?

 

Let's talk.

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nIANja909's picture

Confirm or Deny: You guys are really machines of Artificial Intelligence and or computer mainframes?
nIANja909's picture

More convenient maybe. But the bread is still going to taste better whether you have to drive farther to get it or not. =) Unless you like generic bread, in which case, it leads back to the other "why are you so impressed" argument lol.
TAY's picture

Being able to shop for more in one place > Having to drive to a dozen locations for specialty shit. We're talking about the entire shopping experience, not running outof the house in your pajamas to get one item. Michael Jordan is the best of all time because of his well-roundedness. He wasn't "The Best" at anything. It was his ability to do it all, and well, that made him great. MJ > Whoever the best 3 pointer is. MJ > Whoever the best dunker is. MJ > Whoever the best assist man is. MJ > Whoever the best dribbler is. MJ > Whoever the fastest runner is. Why? Because one on one, his well-crafted well-roundedness would murk those few-talent having niggas. The only way you could disagree is if you were looking for something SPECIFIC; in which case you might have a point. But we've been talking in terms of an over-all sense all along.
nIANja909's picture

Lupe is generic bread in a specialty bakery. he takes a bunch of parts of generic bread, and because it's enough to make him slightly different then regular generic bread, he could maybe be considered specialty bread himself. lol. I'm just pulling metaphors out of my ass =D
jthompsh's picture

which is exactly why he impresses me...im so used to seeing everyone do the "straight forward", "this is what im bout" thing. shits boring after a while to me. get some depth and substance with that shit
nIANja909's picture

I'm just gonna say. It wasn't necessarily me arguing because I wasn't impressed by it. It was me genuinely thinking, that nobody could be impressed by something like that. Which I still don't think is genuinely possible. It's like, I'm looking at a piece of s*** (literally) in an art gallery and thinking "There's no way anybody can seriously enjoy this". Then some guy comes and is in awe over the incredibly sized brown piece of excrement. I realize it's personal taste, but Jesus...
jthompsh's picture

Lupe is a specialty bread BECAUSE of the face he doesnt do what everyone else does, which is subject themselves to doing one thing with their music
nIANja909's picture

Specialty Bread > Generic Supermarket Bread
TAY's picture

IAN LOL!!! AhahahahahHAHAHAHA!!! Omg! You think I've been argiung about what YOU'RE impressed by? Look, in the middle of us all giving Lupe props, you stepped in and found it necessary to force your not being impressed upon us as if we should join with you and not be impressed also. You said that we were giving Lupe too much credit. All I've been doing this entire time is defending why one could justifiably be impressed with Lupe. Bro I don't have to not be impressed because you're not. You don't have to be impressed because I am. But you certainly aren't going to make me conform to your logic in order to make you see what I'm seeing. That would drain the premise out of why I like Lupe in the first place. You want me to explain things to you in Literal terms, when Lupe isn't literal to begin with. You're looking at a non-literal rapper in literal terms. THAT's WHY you're not impressed. Because he's LITERALLY not appealing to what you're looking for. It's like looking for bread in the cleaning suplies aisle. Or in your case, looking for specialty bread in a general supermarket. Nigga, go to a specialty bakery with that shit! The fact that you aren't impressed by something doesn't mean that I can't be; And that I'm looney for being impressed. You seem to be more impressed by more straight-forward, specially crafted works. To me, that's boring after a while. But I never said straight-forwardness was bad or "weak" because of it. To each his own. And may each man defend his, and respect the others'. Now stop arguing with me.
nIANja909's picture

Beep Boop 101011100101 =)
nIANja909's picture

I think I've figured it out ! You guys are actually robots / computer based A.I. units. Which would explain 2 things, why you feel it so necessary to defend Daydreamin, which just so happens to be about a robot (coincidence? I think not) And also, why you are so impressed by Lupe. Because you require complex and overly complicated instructions and phrases in order to understand simple concepts. Just like a computer programmer has to speak in a specific language, and has to type out instructions step by step. You guys can understand this computer language, and only function properly when given these bloated sets of instructions. I don't know why I didn't figure it out earlier.
jthompsh's picture

theres no argument here. its PREFERENCE!! all music/art is. thats last words for me @NINJA i like those unpopular opinions lol
nIANja909's picture

lol, right, because all you've gotten from this discussion is that "I Don't Get It". What I get from this discussion is, you guys are easily impressed. And pretty much your whole argument is, "It communicates" and "I Get it". Therefore it is good. This argument can be used for anyone, from Soulja Boy to Wayne. I'm sure Wayne's fans are more "receptive" than you, and appreciate all his lame attempts at similes and metaphors. all I'm gonna say is, I'm not impressed by EVERYTHING I hear. I personally think there are great and lesser ways to express points. Not, all ways of expressing it are great because "somebody will get it".
jthompsh's picture

hahaha weighed, measured, found unworthy lol outty ;)
nIANja909's picture

lol, nobody has proved Lupe does these things good. Only that he attempts many things. And that you have to have right brain imagination to get it lol. Yet I get it, it's just not impressive. Lame argument. You guys are using the Chewbacca Defense on this.
TAY's picture

IAN I get you. But it's weak to you. And it's strong to me. Your opinion doesn't automatically over-rule mine.
TAY's picture

@ KAT LUWHOLESE is right. You're giong off of the idea of majority rule. I get Lupe's stuff, metaphors and all. I'mpretty fluent in understanding Lupe. lol So are a lot of other people. Someone that comes along and says that they don't get it, doesn't get to then say it's less communicaitve, just because they don't get it. Why? Because it communicates perfectly to someone else, someone obviously more...receptive. That fact alone renders that previously mentioned inability to understand a personal problem. If something can and has been done, then all the people that can't do it, just can't do it. And that takes nothing away from the task. The task here is understanding. If people did what was necessary to get it, then there would be no problems. At one time people couldn't even talk. And the talking man was the one who was regarded as the less communicative one. Then the masses caught on. Now everything is fine. But the adaptation was made towards the advancement, not the laziness to reject the advancement. But people don't like to think about lyrics. They want to be spoon-fed. That's ultimately lmentallaziness. Laziness isn't worth defending. If it was, we'd still be wherewe were thousands of years ago. *You don't base what's "best" "most whatever" off of what the people who don't get it think. That's stagnant. And at this point it would be devolution.
jthompsh's picture

once again...you just want that straight forward darkness hahaha If thats what you want in your music, youre probably listening to the wrong artist. Lupe doesnt go straight forward like you want. he goes in all different directions while staying on point. maybe its too much for you to handle? idk... your basically just proving TAY's point even more when hes saying that LUPE is good at everything. youre still just wanting that one thing. If you want emotion, go listen to Em. If you want Dark, go listen to some death metal band. If you want weak metaphors and smilies go hit up Wayne. If you want all parts of music and imagery brought together, listen to Lupe. but dont criticize something or someone you dont fully get. youre basically telling us that you only like one thing put in your face at a time and Lupe throws it all in your face and lets you play with it
TheTruth's picture

"Bum farting on his cereal" yeah.... I see bums eating bowls and bowls of cereal every day
nIANja909's picture

TAY, essentially all Lu is saying is "Poor people here, bad people there, bad things around this area" And the description, nor the metaphor go any further than that. Sure it's "Dark", hell, he could have added "Bum farting on his cereal" and it'd still be "dark". But it's a shallow description, for weak imagery. Yes it's dark, yes it "communicates" "something". But it's weak. That's all I'm saying.
jthompsh's picture

@KAT the message is strong for those who can actually UNDERSTAND it and have the open-mindness to SEE it. which it sounds to me like IAN doesnt...so arguing about this is kind of pointless if the person doesnt even understand the topic hes trying to prove. @IAN i can already tell you take life straight forward and to the point (just how you like your music). quit takin shit so litteral. not healthy bro...
TheTruth's picture

@ TAY Lets stop trying argue with him, i feel sorry for him and how he views life in general.
nIANja909's picture

LuWhoElse: Colonel Stinkmeaner is one of the greatest philosophers this world has ever known. Stop being so naive.
nIANja909's picture

No, I just named all the instances he described the scene. Which happened to consist of like 10 words. And again, I realize it can be considered "Dark", I'm just saying, it's a very shallow description of the environment.
Kat's picture

I like when I'm not looking stupid.. but here goes my opinion on imagery haha.. To me these are the most 'effective' ways of painting a picture: If it's something dark you say it how it is... get the message across with no questions being asked... that's vivid imagery. --well described Metaphors are nice... no doubt about it, as they are such an effective tool in poetry and great writing... but you risk people not understanding them.. so the message isn't as strong. Both can be effective depending on what the artist is trying to describe and how effective they want it to be.
TheTruth's picture

Only an idiot like you considers ColonelStinkmeaner a great philosopher. I argued that you were an idiot but thanks for proving it haha.
TAY's picture

IAN You... You're looking at things seperately again. "Crack heads beg" + "Hoes selling hoes" + "Crooked police" + "a car chase" = a collectively dark sitation. Period. But again, you're standards are too high. How are you gonna have high standards for dark imagery? What happens in the projects is dark. Lupe just went about it in a way that doesn't just come out and say "DARK". It's still dark, just not only dark; due to the context of how he's relaying it. Not less effective, just less literal. Lupehas threethings goingonin "Daydream" :: -Project plights -The fact that he's daydreaming about it -His imaginative addition of abstract, representational imagery All of those things are working TOGETHER. Like I said before, you want A + B + C to = A, B, or C. Again, not happening.
nIANja909's picture

And yes, I do Gets lots of Money. Cause, in the words of a great philosopher "If you ain't about gettin money, You's a bum" -ColonelStinkmeaner (I think)
nIANja909's picture

lol. Hardly a change. In my first statement I even said "You guys are f***in retarded if you think that performs as a commendable use of Dark Messages and Imagery." which implies I understand what you're referring too, it's just not very good. Which is why in my next post I clarified. I thought a smart, strapping young gentleman such as yourself would have picked that up. I guess I expect too much of your brain's computing and comprehension abilities =)
TheTruth's picture

@ nianja909 Explain yourself. You call me an idiot when it is you who can not understand a songs lyrics, and then after Tay breaks it down for you, so you act as though you understood it all along by agreeing and then stating why you think it shouldn't be so via "Whatever you're SEEING, that I apparently can't see cause I'm blind, is NOT coming from Lupe's lyrics. That is for certain. The reason I can't see it, is because IT'S NOT THERE. You guys are f***in retarded if you think that performs as a commendable use of Dark Messages and Imagery. " And heres where you change and say oooh i understood all along yea yea (idiot) "But I'm really not saying "nothings" there. I'm saying there is so little there" You are the idiot. I can tell by your about me section that states "I Gets Lots Of Money." You must be a garbage man because you obviously cant read... or write for that matter.

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