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Lupe Fiasco VS. Lil Wanye

AJAllan's picture
on June 23, 2010

Lupe or lil weezy whos better

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nIANja909's picture

Swizz Beats lol...
4ziATiC's picture

Guys everyone knows Swizz Beatz is the best producer of all time.
pipvK's picture

You have been trolled. He didn't even respond to this thread. There is just no way you can compare Lupe with Wayne. This thread is big fail
Lucrative LU's picture

Damn you fools argue, about the stupidest ish ever....
nIANja909's picture

I won't disagree about Common's flow. But I do disagree about him being overrated. Just because dude simply spits what he's feeling and what he's thinking doesn't make him untalented. Lupe's flow is only impressive on a handful of tracks in his entire discography. Most the time it's no better then Common's. But I don't necessarily think either of their deliveries are anything special so I won't go much into that. Also, Be & One Day It'll All Make Sense are just about as good, if not as good as Resurrection and Like Water For Chocolate. And whether you consider them "classic" (A term I never use anyway...) or not they are still better then Lupe's albums lol. Aesop Rock... Lulz. Who said anything about Jay selling more album anyways? All I'm saying is Blueprint is a better display of musicianship then Enemy of the State. btw, Slim Shady LP kills any project by Lupe. I'm not as big a fan of Eminem Show or MMLP as others, but I still think they are respectable projects. And RZA... Pfft. The only thing I can REALLY find to praise this guy for personally, is his impact. His production on the other hand... not as into as others who seem to think it's absolutely mind blowing. people think 36 Chambers is the best produced album ever... lol @ Hip-Hop vs Pop. They are both still Hip-Hop bruh, I just think Kanye produces better music. Period. And 9th Wonder on Skyzoo's album was not very impressive. Like 2 out of the 5 songs he produced on that album are anything better then decent. And as much as I dislike 808's as an album and Kanye production around that period, 5 of Kanye's best produced tracks from around then are better then the 5 9th produced tracks on Skyzoo's album. And this period is on the lower spectrum of Kanye's produced tracks, whereas 9th's beats on Skyzoo's album are pretty much in line with his usual production. Honestly, at any given point over the years since Kanye & 9th started, I'd say Kanye was producing more, higher quality beats then 9th.
Malik_3's picture

No one has a rapping style like Lu? Dude hails from the temple of Jay as far as sound goes. There's no reason to try to mimmick his style regardless. Let's not start to pretend that Lu is Andre 3000 or Cee-lo now.
Trench's picture

LIL WAYNE = IDIOT SAVANT "a mentally defective person with an exceptional skill or talent in a special field, as a highly developed ability to play music or to solve complex mathematical problems mentally at great speed. "
Mike_16's picture

Common is one of the most overrated emcees I can think of that "conscious heads" listen to. His only album where he displays something outside of a normal A,B,C flow is Resurrection. Lupe can spit centuries around him. No one has a rapping style like Lupe. No one can come close to trying to mimmick his style. He can twist words better than every emcee with probably the lone exception being Aesop Rock, but Lupe's diverse ability to change speeds and still stick metaphors and double entendres in the middle (Go Go Gadget Flow comes to mind). Common has 2 classic albums which are Like Water for Chocolate and Resurrection, and mostly because of the production of No ID and Dilla. As for 9th vs Kanye, it all depends on whether you like pop music or hip-hop music. Hate me for that statement, but I stand by it. 9th has produced more classic albums in full than Kanye and 9th has also opened up more doors for other hip-hop producers. 9th did more with a PC than Kanye with a full Roc-a-Fella studio. Ever since 9th got his big break, his production has become even more polished. The tracks he produced for Skyzoo's album were amazing. The album he did with Murs was great. 808's was unadulterated cow dung and Kanye should have his hip-hop producer's liscense revoked for that. He is not prince and that music no matter what genre you place it in was bad. Jumbling a bunch of samples together with synthesizers and different sound frequencies does not mean the music is good, it just means you liked it. Kanye's diversity is his gift and curse. Not a fan of the RZA? Makes sense with some of the ish you post lol. Lupe still shitted on Jay on "That Funny Feeling". I don't care if Jay sold a million more albums or hypnotized a million more people. Eminems first two albums were ok. The Eminem Show was repetitive and it was an epic fail on the production. Eminem makes me want to listen to Asher Roth. At least he is somewhat not repetitive.
nIANja909's picture

Plus, as much as I like Lupe, he doesn't get any points for the fact most of his best stuff is just verses or freestyles over unoriginal production. His mix tapes are the best part of his catalog of music, and as cool as it is hearing him rap, dude needs to step up and put out a good ALBUM. Hearing guys go in over other peoples songs is cool ONCE N A WHILE, but get your own project together dude.
nIANja909's picture

I disagree about 9th being a better soul sampler. No actually, maybe not, but I disagree that 9th is a better producer then Kanye. 9th doesn't do nearly as much with the production as Kanye does. Which, most the time it still sounds good, but often it's not as polished compared to Kanye production, and not as consistent. I can almost fall asleep on much of 9th's production. Plus Kanye has MUCH more variety. You listen from College Dropout, to Late Registration, to 808's and it's all a completely different sound. But it's all still great (for the most part). As far as RZA, I'm not a fan of him much at all. So I won't comment there cause it'd be pretty biased. J Dilla though I'll give you. Common > Lupe. Doesn't matter how you slice it. Be, Like Water For Chocolate, One Day It'll All Make Sense, and Resurrection are all respectively better then pretty much anything Lupe has done with the exception of a handful of tracks here and there. Electric Circus and Universal Mind Control being his only below decent albums. The rest ranging from good to excellent, and he's got lots of em. His discography is one of very few I consider almost on par with someone like Nas who also has quite the impressive discography with many good albums. Blueprint III, without seeming like I'm praising it too much because I really didn't enjoy it all that much as it is, but it's still better then Enemy of the State. and yeh, Enemy of the State is just a mixtape, but it's also the only official thing Lupe's released in recent years, thus it's the only thing outside of leaked crap Lasers tracks which can be used in the "right now" argument. As for Eminem, his last 3 albums have been crap. But his first 3 albums crap on most of Lupe's discography. Though I can understand arguments against Em, dude has lost the consistency he had in his discography since releasing 2 more stinkers. And yeh he is like a broken record half the time.
4ziATiC's picture

obv
Malik_3's picture

I think we all know that Cam'ron is the greatest rapper of all time.
lupeforlife's picture

How do people still listen to gucci after this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wIqC0UwEVE
Mike_16's picture

There's no elitism. There is science though, and there is also politics. Rappers like Gucci and even The Roots are manufactured to keep people listening WITHIN boundaries. But what makes rappers like Gucci and Souljah Boy worse is their subversive use of mudras, mandalas, and mantras. These terms are necessary for the individual to become acquainted with, because we are all victims of their use. After studying subliminal advertising and hypnosis (as well as being hypnotized and witnissing a mass hypnosis demo) there is clear evidence that concludes the subversive use of these ancient techniques for the procurement of the completion of some sort of agenda. There is no other reason why grown ass men are making music to appeal to ten to twelve year olds with blended references to adult themes. It is a blatant attack on the subconscious and targets the lower root and sacral chakras. The shininess, the bling, the words, the repetitive simple verses are being repeated by the wrong people, and not just with vernacular, we are seeing it in the pregnant bellies of twelve year olds. Now I am done "clowning" in this thread, but it was cool while it lasted. HTP and light fam.
4ziATiC's picture

Also haha thanks Awesomexp. Yall know I was just clowning in this thread (this argument has been going for like half a decade now), but try to take the criticism to heart. Lupe might be my favorite rapper, but that doesn't mean he is the greatest rapper. He's not the best, and there will always be people both above and below him. Oh and if you ever dismiss a rapper purely on the subject they talk about, you might as well just kill yourself right now. From Gucci to The Roots, it's all Hip Hop. No elitism.
4ziATiC's picture

Eminem died ten years ago.
Mike_16's picture

Kanye's production is soooo overrated. He took the style of Jay Dilla and doesn't even do it as good. The RZA and 9th Wonder are both better soul samplers than Kanye. Lupe's lyrics>>>>>Kanye's beats Common is definitely NOT a better artist than Lupe. Common's last classic album was Like Water for Chocolate. The best production on Be was done by Jay Dilla. Kanye ruined Finding Forever and Universal Mind Control was horrible. Electric Circus was nothing to get excited over. Blueprint III had maybe one or two songs that were ok at best. That being said, Enemy of the State was a mixtape! lol, some people are really reaching here. The Cool was definitely better than Jay's last album and so was Food & Liquor. Lupe could retire tomorrow with 2 albums that shit on most rappers catalogues. And since I am Mike, I have to get my daily jab in on Eminem. His last 3 albums are weak, and the same ol shit he's been doing now for 13 years. Eminem's lyrics is about as original as Kanye's sampling. Diabolic>>>>Eminem (get hip people) Anyway, just thought I would chime in. People are losing their ears for hip-hop and giving in to these lower vibration tunes meant to appeal to children and delinquents. Peace
nIANja909's picture

And yeh bruh, Blueprint III > Enemy of the State + all this Lasers garbo. Though I don't necessarily believe Jay Z's rapping specifically was anything special on the album, it was a better overall package. Anyway I'm not impressed by Lupe's rapping on Enemy of the State either, so him being decent at best over unoriginal production isn't enough to redeem that tape for me, let alone regard it higher then Blueprint III (which, I don't even regard Blueprint III very high as it is).
nIANja909's picture

emcee is just a performer. It has nothing to do with rapping. By saying you think he's a better emcee, you're saying he's a better stage performer, which has nothing to do with who makes better music. Also Lupe being more lyrical then a lot of the guys I mentioned is questionable, and his flow doesn't even come close to matching some of these guys. Then again, I think the whole "lyrical" argument is overrated as all hell, seeing as how there doesn't seem to be a universal definition for the word for anyone to properly comprehend what being "lyrical" entails. That said, "lyrical" isn't enough of a defense or explanation by itself to win any arguments.
Noa The Ruler's picture

Look, see I'm not sure if you'll understand me after I'll explain this, but i"ll try and my best to explain. I think Lupe is a better rapper than everyone you have mentioned. As far as an artist as in albums obviously Lupe's name shouldn't even in the same conversation as Nas, Jay-Z, Eminem, Common, etc because he has only two albums. What I'm trying to say is that I believe Lupe is better emcee. He is more lyrical and he has a great flow. It's my fault for stating it as fact. When it comes down to who is the greatest ever it is all opinion, but it is certainly clear for some rappers who's named should never ever be in the same sentence as greatest ever unless the word 'not' is before it, but seriously Lupe is better than Weezy, even deaf people know it.
lupeforlife's picture

You really think that blueprint 3 was good? not better then enemy of the state
nIANja909's picture

......uhm yes See, I can do it too.
lupeforlife's picture

......uhm no
nIANja909's picture

Kanye as a producer alone is > Lupe as an artist. Nevertheless the fact he has 2 great albums, and a few other good albums / tapes. Plus his features and collabo's are much better. And guess what, Lupe is not in his prime anymore. And if anything, this burn out Lupe we have now is even sh**tier then older artists like Nas and Jay who are past there prime. Even though, Nas and Jay Z's most recent work is still better then Lupe the last couple years. Nas & Damian Marley - Distant Relatives Jay Z - Blueprint III So even past their prime they are better then Lupe. And anyway, I'm not JUST talking "right now". I'm talking, these guys are better artists, and are or have been making better music, for however long they've been out. The whole "right now" argument is a cop out because Lupe is relatively new and has only been around in Hip-Hop in recent years, so that's just a crappy one sided comparison comparing his entire body of work within the few years he's blown up, and not being able to count other artists entire discographies as well. But either way, "Right Now" (that being the last couple years) he's not the best, nor was he the best considering any time before now.
NRdiesel's picture

I dont think kanye is a better artist but when common and nas are were in their prime no one could touch them. As of now, Em and Lu are the hottest in the game, better than Jay-Z right now.
nIANja909's picture

Kanye is a better artist then Lupe. Common is a better artist then Lupe. Eminem is a better artist then Lupe. Jay Z is a better artist then Lupe. Nas is a better artist then Lupe. The Roots are better then Lupe. All mainstream guys, all with better discographies or bodies of work then Lupe.
Noa The Ruler's picture

Nobody mainstream is better than Lupe. Everyone that is his level or above is either dead or underground. I've never heard any of weezy's earlier stuff, but what lil wanye is putting out now is trash after trash, shit after shit mean while Lupe has consistently put classic tracks.
lupeforlife's picture

So my point still stand
Malik_3's picture

Lupeforlife Lupe hasn't put anyone on his own songs outside of Jay and his sidekicks.
dwebb3's picture

this is a real comparison? wow

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