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"I don't trust America after watching Zeitgeist"

  • Ruffstylz's picture
    says: (13 Dec '09)

    I like that Lupe mentioned Zeitgeist in Turnt Up, that film had a huge impact on me when I saw it. Even more though was the impact of the second one, Zeitgeist Addendum. I know a lot of people have seen it already 'cause I think the films broke the google counters at something like 150 million views or something crazy but in case you haven't if I had one wish it would be that every man, woman child on the planet watched this film. I think it totally relates to everything Lupe spits about and offers the only real solution that gets to the root of our problems. Here it is:

     

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Ruffstylz's picture
on December 13, 2009

I like that Lupe mentioned Zeitgeist in Turnt Up, that film had a huge impact on me when I saw it. Even more though was the impact of the second one, Zeitgeist Addendum. I know a lot of people have seen it already 'cause I think the films broke the google counters at something like 150 million views or something crazy but in case you haven't if I had one wish it would be that every man, woman child on the planet watched this film. I think it totally relates to everything Lupe spits about and offers the only real solution that gets to the root of our problems. Here it is:

 

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912#

 

Peace and much love to ya

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Gramitoz's picture

lol @ Islam wins every debate That really resolves everything. And if you believe the Qu'ran is the key to salvation, you go ahead and do it, its whatever, we will all see who is right and wrong at one point. Just DON'T talk down on other religions. It is pure ignorance.
Reza's picture

Another kid tryna save the world ..
Gramitoz's picture

shit, my "ignorancy" on islam is through the roof I will believe in my religion and not feel the need to say JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO BE SAVED. Let the people think what they want, its up to them to decide their fate.
Gramitoz's picture

Yes i do, i am not defensive about it. I will continue to believe that. I will not bother trying to attack your religion, you guys are all depicted as crazy Osama looking people blowing themselves up in the name of Allah. Every religion is under scrutiny. Leave the people who believe in their religion. Why don't you plead Islam to the atheists who strictly believe in science? I doubt you have been instructed enough to debate against what science has done for our world. Every religion is trying to be proved wrong.
Gramitoz's picture

What are you laughing at really? Your ignorance its what fuels people to ignore what you are posting. You also further prove the point that the internet is the home of so many idiots.
Gramitoz's picture

LOL a bumbaclot? I will keep my faith, idiot. So how do you have Jesus as your prophet, when in Zeitgeist it says he never existed? Just, you might as well shut up trying to convince people their religion is wrong.
Gramitoz's picture

LOL its okay, you have learned english recently. I am not knocking you for being supported by your fam, we have all relied on our family at some point. You are 17 so its okay. as lupe said Why you take offense with your defensive ass?
Gramitoz's picture

What are you going to post? Unless you publish a book that is acclaimed and used in university lectures, you prove nothing. Post another youtube video, another web link, you prove nothing. If at all, you prove how gullible and juvenile you are. Just keep it cool in your future posts. Don't bother insulting or whatever it is you do. And lastly, by living and dieing by faith, i am not deeming someone stupid. I believe in my religion, and my faith remains intact despite what i am taught in books and by others. It is faith, and i will stand by it until another God tells me I'm wrong.
Gramitoz's picture

Don't call people stupid. Anyone can live and die by their faith and you don't have any right to try to change that. Now, my point is not saying that you are all of that shit you said. Its to show you are young and immature for trying to tell people about your life. No one is going to believe you man, you are just building up a bad resume. And by YOU having money but not getting out of the hood, it is fair to assume that your family applies to you as well. I mean, Paris Hilton has always had a lot of money, not because she made it, but because she belongs to a family. Keep trying to sound smart and plea your case for every word you use. Once again, your method of discussion is purely ignorant and comes off to the public as being stupid.
Gramitoz's picture

Ay ruff, i'm ecuadorian and i follow the news of my country, and now i'm not saying that you are stupid or anything like that (the 17 year old, but incredibly "wise" kid Ex who lives in one of the biggest hoods in Europe and has travelled the world while speaking to the highest educated people would think that), i just wanted to know what you heard and compare that to my sources.
Ruffstylz's picture

You pulled the government propaganda allegation out of nowhere and it didn't make me an atheist. It doesn't try to make anyone atheist. It speaks against religion, there's a difference. It's interesting that one of the nominees to be president of Cameroon is apparently running for the position using the zeitgeist movement values and the government of Ecuador and Hugo Chavez' people have been contacted too. I don't know what the other person meant when they said it rules by fear, you've lost me there. It's harsh saying exposingthewicked doesn't belong here though.
Gramitoz's picture

The reason there isn't communication here is because i don't give a fuck about what you say. You have lost any respect i may have had, but word, you shouldn't give a shit. I am not gonna open any links from you, the internet fucks around with people, and you are clearly fucking around here. People can say anything they want on the internet. You have already put yourself in a bad position where no one should consider you something to pay attention to. I have read your posts, and have responded so that you can stop doing what you're doing. Your method of teaching is ineffective. The more you speak the more ignorant you sound. You sound like a young, gullible kids who claim to live in the biggest ghetto in Europe, and has spoken to many people around the world. I mean, you have the money to travel, but not enough money to get out of the hood. LOL This serves as a lesson, don't believe shit you see on the internet, people should read and speak to people who have read and develop your own opinion. The media is bullshit, people know that. The government and higher powers want us to keep paying taxes and don't give a fuck about us, people know that. We will not listen to 17 year old kid who claims to know more than us.
TheTruth's picture

Gramitoz thank you. Stop Spamming these boards with your religion. No one cares about you and your beliefs. BUSY if this guy continues to make threads about his beliefs delete his account off this forum please.
Gramitoz's picture

you are 17 telling stories on the internet, no one believes you. Now you can release your current frusteration by continuing to display your ignorance and age, or you can be quiet and change your method of conversation, because its not going anywhere.
Gramitoz's picture

You are 17, no one gives a shit.
Gramitoz's picture

Who conquered the Western world? Who educated the natives? What were they made to assimilate to? And man...i should educate myself with more movies, not reading books, attending lectures from PhD level education. The truth is something that is so subjective, no one can ever say they hold it.
Gramitoz's picture

shit man, i should make everyone here listen to you so intently. I mean, you're grammar is remarkable, and i must say, when you are 17 years old, you must have seen the world. LOL I'm saying this because when i was 17 i used to go post shit and think i was smart. But then you see more of the world, and you learn that people can either take you down the wrong path or the right path. And then you further learn that paths are subjective and relative. Of course there are people who are afraid of Islam. There are so many of you guys lol. I think people are just as scared of China and India coming together to fight the world too right. What do you have to "expose" me of, i can actually embrace most of my characteristics. Type Gramzz, Gramitoz Los_Gramzz on Google (i'm sure you're pretty good at using the Google search engine), and you might find a couple "rap" sites from a few years back, maybe some youtube comments (predominantly on instrumentals, maybe some funny shit) i am also pretty sure some people may think youtube is childish. Actually, i watch videos there because it is childish, everyone wants to see some funny shit, listen to some freestyles and whatnot. You are using it as a way of educating yourself and preaching it onto others claiming its "exposing" And i'm sure you have "tested" youtube lol. Who the fuck believes that. You are out of place here, you don't belong here, posting shit to piss people off, and maybe you want to educate people. There are better ways to present your arguments, and ways that you only learn with experience, so i suggest you shut the fuck up because you aren't going anywhere. And lastly, the media and tv doesn't educate me, i have a few profs for that. The media and tv are obviously monitored. Last time i checked, youtube is a form of media isn't it. So once again, get the fuck outta here with your "exposing", "failing" "noobs" and "beep" proclaiming ass and chill the fuck out.
Gramitoz's picture

Alright, his whole argument on religion is bullshit. And my question is this, if it weren't for Christianity, how would the western world as we know have been? If there is no God, what or who instructed us to behave differently from animals? ExposingTheTruth, im not even gonna bother arguing against you and your methods of education via youtube, and you are 17, no matter how smart you may or may not be, you are viewed as immature and insignificant.
9Lives's picture

ZEITGEIST FTW! Read between the lines and free you mind.
TheTruth's picture

@ Exposingthewicked you are incompetent to argue such, since you are blind by your own indoctrination of your religion. You follow a book that allows such hatred, made by mankind. How am i quoting things with lies?? READ your own book it says the same. I am not a believer of any form of institutional religion, so my intentions are not to attack yours. Stop being a follower for once and be a leader, it helps in life.
9Lives's picture

Dumbass didn't I just say that I don't have a religion. LMAO! Did you know that Shakespeare rewritten the bible in english. How do you know he didn't fuck that up. The bible that you are reading is totally not the orginal and I know you have not even read the orignal so you can't say shit. Seriously you being controlled by religion is so pathetic. (Funny as hell at the same time) You are basically a puppet to your own religion.
TheTruth's picture

"And yeah religion was responsible for thousands of deaths in the past and still today." You say this is untrue? You say I do not know what is going on and then use "lmao" yet say that I declare this as laughable? Explain yourself, on why dont i know whats going on by stating that religion has been used kill millions. Oh wait and you say your religion "does not kill" ?? Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers. Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle. Qur'an (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
TheTruth's picture

"Freemasons are masters of deception (deceivers). What more do need to tell you? " I'll dismiss this statement because you've failed to declare their motive, their fulfillment, what does it do to help them? Whereas all propaganda is created for the empowerment of a particular party or institution. "they portrait religion infiltration as being part of the original religion. To understand this , you have to study who created the bible in it's state of today" What are you trying to say here? "The problem is, the movie explains what is going on, and not >why< it's going on" I have not seen the movie in its entirety but it does explain the reasons why, for example why mankind has created institutional religion to oppress the people = used for the creation of slavery via puritanism, hatred and discrimination of races, sexes, I can go on for days. The brainwash is so intense that in spite of modern day where religion is not forced there are some who believe in a book that preaches oppression on women and homosexuals etc
9Lives's picture

LMAO! It totally tells you in the movie both what's going on and why it's going on. I think you just bleeped that out of your brain when you were watching it. And yeah religion was responsible for thousands of deaths in the past and still today.
TheTruth's picture

@EXPOSINGTHEWICKED Although I don't fully believe whats in the film I'd say that it is not secular propaganda for the simple reason that it has no motive to be such. Whenever you watch and believe a film you have to look at who made it, why they made it, and to who they made it for. There is no motive to make a propaganda film to institute any form of organization. Now if you look at institutional religion, now that is the biggest propaganda in the history of man kind. Killed more people than any other form of organization in this world; used to oppress more people in this world, and they funniest thing about it all is that there is no proof that it all exists (jesus, mohammed etc) So if someone told me that this and this happened without any proof that it did, why would I believe them?
9Lives's picture

STFU up haterz of Zeitgeist. I've seen it and it is really good. The people who live in America should have already figured this out even before the film was made. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND people to watch this film. Oh and if you remember that Venus Project I suggest we get started on that thing right away. I mean like NOW!!!!!!!! Oh and To EXPOSINGTHEWICKED - I don't know what religion you are but in the bible doesn't it say that God said religion is bad and yet we have tons of religions out there (Including Christianity). I have no religion but I do believe in God. So stop being so scared and WAKE THE FUCK UP!. RELIGION IS CONTROL!
Khnum's picture

altho it brings up good points about society, it's prty much everything I've heard or known already. It also does the same what it is intended against, rule by fear. I like mindfuck films tho. Do I agree? No. Do I disagree? No. No one man can do as one must as no one man will do as one will. It is all fallacy.
Capt's picture

believe half of what u see and none of what u here.. im out
nIANja909's picture

lol @ Zeitgeist having a huge influence on anyone. Sad.

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